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Breakaway group cause Rumpus
The Breakaway Group caused a rumpus at the CARES meeting last night (at Holy Trinity Church Hall).
The meeting started well with a good introduction from Angela Weatherby.
Several members of the SOS (Save Our Services) group were handing out leaflets at the door, and came into the meeting.
One of their supporters, Simon Shaw an ex Lib Dem Cllr, was very vociferous and refused to let the spokesperson on the Committee complete the answers to the questions he was asking.
One of the S.O.S. group (Karen) give her version of the split and things appeared to be panning out well until Simon Shaw started his tirade.
After, what appeared to be, a long time Simon and his colleague were asked to leave the meeting.
They then continued the discussion/argument with James Grundy, and myself, in the Foyer before leaving the building.
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Two other members of the Committee were missing due to work committments
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It does not surprize me that the Lib Dems went out to cause trouble at a meeting that was called to restore our services. I have heard on the grape vine that as it was not their idea in the first place they wanted it and would go to any lengths to get it.
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I am inclined to agree with Stumpi
Last night (Wednesday)whilst reading the Guardian I came across an article on page 11, second column which states.
'The Tories reported the Lib Dems yesterday to the local government watchdog for standards in public life over an election manual urging councillors to:-
"be wicked, act shamelessly, stir endlessly", engage in negative campaigning and "exaggerate".
The tactics in Effective Opposition were exposed last year, but the manual is still sold.
Perhaps the tactics seen last night, well does more need to be said.
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Re: Breakaway group cause Rumpus
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pedoja
The Breakaway Group caused a rumpus at the CARES meeting last night (at Holy Trinity Church Hall). [i]
This is very amusing.
You were attending a meeting called by the "breakaway group". People who one moment praised John Pugh MP's sterling work then the next minute decided that they had to justify their own actions in 'throwing him (and other mums and dads who have performed sterling work in the campaign) out' {if you believe that a minority has any right to throw out a majority! - actually neither set of people has any right at all to throw anyone out, there would have to be a public meeting called when all concerned could be present}
Five out of the original nine people appointed in the original Trinity public meeting are continuing the campign, purposefully and responsibly, despite the fact that a couple of the splitters sent them silly letters telling them that they had left (and followingthis with press statements to suggest that they had been chucked out)
Just what exactly the 'splitters' think that they can achieve will be interesting. But at least there will be a sensible and competent campaign being run elsewhere.
Some of these people repeatedly broke agreed and minuted Steering Group decisions and made statements to the press 'on behalf of CARES' when they were in fact their own minority opinions. They would appear to be possesors of huge egos who cannot deal with it when they are exposed as having behaved badly so prefer to' shoot the messangers' and'blame-shift'.
Now from what I hear they are even pretending that the position which John Pugh and the people who they 'expelled' adopted regarding the possiblity of an MIU is thier own position. So why did they 'split off' if this is the case?
The whole split was fabricated because certain people with massive egos did not like facing up to the facts that they had repeatedly acted against democratically agreed and in some cases unanimous decisions.
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I just hope that the Lib Dems attitude does not jeopardiise our chances of regaining emergency services for our children
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Babs, i would refer you to the thread on this subject in the news Forum.
You will see what the SOS group (supported by the majority of those appointed by the original Trinity meeting onto the Steering group0 are doing.
You can see what John Pugh MP is doing - supported by a united Lib Dem group. the Tories are totally split with Les Byrom being on the body who are responsible for taking away our services and his ppc saying that he is against this.
So which party has the best attitude?
Some people might not like what Simon Shaw said last Wednesday but then did he not have every right to be angry with people who threw a load of valuable parents off the campaign without a 'by your leave'?
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Simon Shaw did NOT ACTUALLY SAY ANYTHING......
All he did was to cause a nuisance and badger the speakers.
He did NOT allow them to answer his queries....
NOR did he have ANYTHING POSITIVE to say about the way forward.
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Babs, this is what in my own small way I am trying to do - by supporting those who are ploughing away doing the real hard work which is neccessary to change peoples' minds.
Can anyone think of a single thing which the 'splitters' put forward on wednesday which would actually seriously help change decision-makers' minds (other than things involving other people doing the spade-work)? And remembering that these people are those who did the really constructive thing of splitting the campaign in two. I am intrigued how anyone would want to associate with such people.
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A mass sit in in Downing Street.
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Tonio you were not at the meeting on Wednesday so how can you comment on it!
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Tonio you were not at the meeting on Wednesday so how can you comment on it!
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I am commenting about the issues of the campaign - the meeting seemed fairly irrelevent from what i have seen on the postings here. The campaign continues without those who chose to split themselves off - however many meetings they call it is not affecting the campaign one iota as far as I can see.
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BigLies about the health service
Both Hitler and Stalin said to their followers that if you're going to tell a Lie, and want it to be believed, make it a BigLie.
It seems that someone in Southport Tories has learned well. Their web-site says:
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...whereas in fact the Southport Conservatives are doing no such thing. Their big boss Les Byrom is busy presiding over these disastrous changes. I only saw two known Tories on the whole march which was boycotted by their councillors.
Both the Lib Dems and the SP have (a) organised leaflets, well-attended meetings and contributed to the success of the march and thousands of petitions. Both lib Dem and SP councillors were on the march. There are more Tory councillors in our area than from either of these other parties yet none of them were there.
Mr BigLie's 'rebel' few Conservatives were responsible for.... - the march being delayed from its original date and the appalling PA system at the Meols Cop field.
Enough said?
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enough said
whether ther was 1 of each conservative + sp I would rather that than 1'000 libs as you have proved mr dawson none of you can be trusted
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'The Tories reported the Lib Dems yesterday to the local government watchdog for standards in public life over an election manual urging councillors to:-
"be wicked, act shamelessly, stir endlessly", engage in negative campaigning and "exaggerate".
The tactics in Effective Opposition were exposed last year, but the manual is still sold.
Tonio
I see you have chosen not to comment on the words above so what the Guardian stated must be true! Are you acting shamelessly, indulging in negative campaigning to accentuate your own ego?
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Can you give perhaps just one example to back this statement up?
Only the Lib Dems and SP have done anything significant in terms of the campaign to save our hospital services - while the top Tory around has been acting to sink them.
as for 'Muffin',:
I have worked my **** off for this campaign 'Muffin'. I produced over two hundred placards, card stickers, massive posters delivered thousands of leaflets, spent hours at committee meetings with sad people who tried to explain why they had gone completely against agreed democratic decisions and then picked up the pieces. I have produced eight-page technical dossiers giving questions to fire at the Health Bosses, attended two PCT meetings, CHC meetings, met the Strategic Health Authority chiefs and PCT personnel, been to two Radio stations in Liverpool to publicise the march and deputised for a Steering group member in many ways. i have been to ormskirk to look at the 'new' services there and personally helped nearly a dozen individuals with problems relatingto the changes.
What exactly have YOU done?
PS:No I don't approve of the silly words in that out of date manual you've quoted which could have been written a lot shorter: "just copy Southport Conservatives" hardly a recipe for success though?
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Tonio
I see you have chosen not to comment on the words above so what the Guardian stated must be true! Are you acting shamelessly, indulging in negative campaigning to accentuate your own ego?
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I think you are right Muffin. Tony Dawson AKA Tonio is however NOT very good at this 'negative campaigning' lark and was chopped off a thread awhile ago for being "overly abusive." Hence his reluctance to broach your comments.
http://www.southportforums.com/foru...&threadid=21863
Talk about a liability to one's own party. Bet Pugh will get it in the neck at the next election and I think this will be mainly due to old Tonio's negative campaigning on this site- what a plonker!!
If he is the 'best' that the Lib/dems have then heaven help us all!
It makes me wonder how many things he bleats on these forums are worth the keys he types on!
Little egos always have BIG MOUTHS I find!
I am just so amazed that Pugh let's him get away with this childish party-political tripe and in HIS name on many occasions too!!!!
And to think that I once actually 'voted' for this shower!
Negative campaigning STINKS yet Dawson/Tonio clearly cannot see this truth 'cos his ego won't let him.
Ah well, keep talking the pills!
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I've got no problem with the Conservatives. I quite like Mark Bigley, he seems a reasonable bloke who speaks from the heart, or at least he did on Wednesday. All of this party political knocking is making me run as far as possible from the Lib Dems. I have voted for them in the past, but I'm getting very, very hacked off with what is going on here. Our kids hospital services are at stake and all Tonio / Lib Dems / Tony Dawson keep going on about is slagging off (I hate the word but feel it appropriate) other people. Our children deserve more.
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I've got no problem with the Conservatives. I quite like Mark Bigley, he seems a reasonable bloke who speaks from the heart, or at least he did on Wednesday. All of this party political knocking is making me run as far as possible from the Lib Dems. I have voted for them in the past, but I'm getting very, very hacked off with what is going on here. Our kids hospital services are at stake and all Tonio / Lib Dems / Tony Dawson keep going on about is slagging off (I hate the word but feel it appropriate) other people. Our children deserve more.
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I agree with your sentiments Sassy although I am not really interested in politics myself. I think that they are all a put off.
"Slagging off" is a very descriptive term for what Dawson and his unthinking coterie are doing to the hard workers who have done their very best for the NHS cuts campaign.
CARES, the original parental concerns group (NOT, I may say the SOS lib/dem outfit which Tonio/Dawson is trying and failing to sell us) should try and ignore the sad bleatings from these sad little sour pussies who are just so clearly 'peeved' at being booted out of the main thrust to restore our essential services.
CARES should rise above this negative campaign strategy by the Lib/dem dictators and get on with the real job at hand.
Judging by what happened on wednesday at Trinity the good folk of CARES are doing their very best even though bullies like the aggressive Simon Shaw chump from the Lim/Dem's tried to wreck their meeting. One VERY upset mum actually ran out of the meeting saying that Shaw had put her off the campaign for good!
This is a TOTAL DISGRACE and shows the LIB/DEM SOS gang for what they really are a bunch of political-point scoring spoil sports who have not got the grace to realise when they are being childish!
Let's face it - after seeing how Lib/dem chief political point-scorer Tonio Dawson treats ordinary people (who actually care about kids) so rudely on these threads how could anyone ever work with someone such as this?
I would love CARES to spell out the whole expulsion story some day so that we all know yet they probably won't as they are too professional for this sort of thing. They proved this well at the last Trinity meeting.
Sorry to go on but I was so angry and saddened about what these 'people' tried to do to CARES noble efforts at the last meeting. I only went along as an observer and came out feeling sick to the stomach.
Mr Bigley, the Tory guy on the top table deserves a medal for how well he handled this aggression and rudeness from people who should be helping not hindering the CARES campaign.
If this is their attitude then these mouthy fools should stick to staying at home and watching the telly and let others get on with the job at hand.
Jealousy, rage and REVENGE are such self-defeating emotions and the sooner sour grapes Tonio and his friends realise this the better it will be for the 'whole' campaign which must go ahead full force and never stop until we get real results!
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Perhaps you could name something useful which the 'splitters' have done for the campaign? The hard workers - the grafters, the people who have been working their socks off and making the arguments that matter to the people that matter are all behind the Parents' campaign - 'Save Our Services'. The 'splitters' are not only NOT 'the main thrust to restore our essential services.' - can you tell me of anything which they are doing at all which will make any difference to the outcome of the campaign? - their disruptive splitting off would have sabotaged the campaign completely were it not for the resolve of those parents concerned not to let this behaviour affect the cause.
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for what ? - for throwing (or rather trying to throw - they are all carrying on campaigning) four parents of young children in Southport out of the campaign? But then Mr Biglie does not have any children that one knows about.
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indeed - and the narcissistic personalities which created these emotions among the splitters (all the things which they have done against the democratic decisions are properly documented) are unfortunate to say the least. The split was TOTALLY manufactured to try to save the face of people who kept breaking democratic decisions. There never has been any point of principal between the parties concerned.
PS: For those who do not know, as co-chair of the Southport out of Sefton campaign for several years, I worked co-operatively and harmoniously with my co-chair Ralph Gregson and others over a couple of years. we also co-operated well with the then Tory MP for Southport. I have also spent a large part of my working life co-ordinating the effort of cross-party and non-party commitees campaigning against NHS cutbacks all over the North West. we worked well together through very trying times. But then we had never had to deal with anyone who had been thrown out of the Pagan Federation for allegedly being totally against working in harmony with other faiths! or people who do things against democratic decisions because "I felt like it".
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More sour grapes - yawn!
Originally posted by tonio
" Perhaps you could name something useful which the 'splitters' have done for the campaign? The hard workers - the grafters, the people who have been working their socks off and making the arguments that matter to the people that matter are all behind the Parents' campaign - 'Save Our Services'. The 'splitters' are not only NOT 'the main thrust to restore our essential services.' - can you tell me of anything which they are doing at all which will make any difference to the outcome of the campaign? - their disruptive splitting off would have sabotaged the campaign completely were it not for the resolve of those parents concerned not to let this behaviour affect the cause. "
Oh dear yet more sour grapes and ranting which is traditional for you as we all know. If you do not know what the "splitters" (by Which you mean the original CARES COMMITTEE) have done for the campaign then you are sadly out of touch. Maybe this is another reason why you where 'removed' Mr Dawson eh? If you want "disruption" then you should have 'bothered' to come to the last CARES meeting and see what your chum managed to achive (before getting himself 'booed' out of the door by about 65 people present)
"for what ? - for throwing (or rather trying to throw - they are all carrying on campaigning) four parents of young children in Southport out of the campaign? But then Mr Biglie does not have any children that one knows about."
Your 'emotions' are begining to show again and this is why you are getting 'personal' about Mr Bigley (you spelt his name wrongly by the way). Nasty little quip there tonio about children.
"indeed - and the narcissistic personalities which created these emotions among the splitters (all the things which they have done against the democratic decisions are properly documented) are unfortunate to say the least. The split was TOTALLY manufactured to try to save the face of people who kept breaking democratic decisions. There never has been any point of principal between the parties concerned."
More blah blah blah misinformative clap trap which everyone on this site has probably already seen through - yawn! What was all this about you and your SOS chums running off at every chance to get their mugs in front of BBC cameras 'without' consulting the rest of the group? Was that 'your' idea of democratic decisions. Talk about double standards.
"PS: For those who do not know, as co-chair of the Southport out of Sefton campaign for several years, I worked co-operatively and harmoniously with my co-chair Ralph Gregson and others over a couple of years. we also co-operated well with the then Tory MP for Southport. I have also spent a large part of my working life co-ordinating the effort of cross-party and non-party commitees campaigning against NHS cutbacks all over the North West. we worked well together through very trying times. But then we had never had to deal with anyone who had been thrown out of the Pagan Federation for allegedly being totally against working in harmony with other faiths! or people who do things against democratic decisions because "I felt like it"."
My goodness gracious, you are such a wonderous hero of the common people aren't you Mr Dawson. How can those nasty people of CARES ever have been so cruel to boot you out in the cold? how will they ever manage without your friendliness and light-hearted banter? Possibly they got a little tired of your political point scoring, self-centred agenda and rather worrying fundamentalist religious bias as clearly stated above. You should, with respect, consider these latter points carefully as they MAY be a big sticking block for your future political career in other towns!
With respect again Dawson old chap, nobody likes a know-all, show off or a mouthy big-head, especially one who braggs about topics which are clearly alien to one's own personal makeup and understanding.
You are in my opinion working against the best interests of the campaign to restore our services by your persistant and rather nasty spamming against decent people, and it's starting to show.
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Are you trying to say that the sos members are the only ones who can do anything tonio. If you are your even more up yourself than I originally thought. The words 'SAD,DISILLUSIONED,BITTER+LONELY' spring to mind. I have to say once again I agree with stuka you need a group hug maybe you might stop playing the big guy and get a life instead of trying to wreck everyone else's.
Instead of playing childish games and making out that CARES is not worth anything why don't you concentrate on getting on with your work with sos.
I thought that being an adult you would be able to see the BIGGER picture while your venting all this angre on people there are children still going to Ormskirk. I wish the CARES group all the success as I thought that wednesdays meeting (after being so rudely interupted) and why did the sos group run out so soon. Could this be because they came with the obnoxious Libdem who rightly got thrown out?????? Or is it because they THOUGHT they had succeeded in doing what they set out to do, if it is the latter then they are very much mistaken.
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Hey Babs, NO NO please don't vote for me or I might end up like poor sad old Tonio and become a total 'Anorak' - constantly SPAMMING this site with stuff that most people chuck down their drains!
He should get a life, a girl friend or a nice hobby like stamp-collecting.
Hell, anything but politics!
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Having read everything on this thread and elswehere on the SGB site it is apparent to me that:-
1.) CARES still exists.
2.) SOS is trying to find a role for itself and those on it (Lib Dems).
3.) Tony Dawson has lost the plot.
4.) John Pugh MP has lost the plot for employing Tony Dawson.
5.) The Southport Party and Conservative Party are continuing the campaign with the CARES group to get our services reinstated to Southport.
6.) John Pugh was kicked off CARES for trying to get publicity for himself at the expense of our Children's services. (Sick)
7.) A Minor Injuries Unit is not the answer to our problems and would not be an appropriate alternative to A&E.
8.) John Pugh supports a Minor Injuries Unit and thinks that one would be a suitable alternative to A&E. (Otherwise he would not have backed The Champion's campaign so readily).
9.) In the eyes of The Champion, John Pugh MP is a realist and therefore supports their call for a Minor Injuries Unit instead of an A&E faclity in the Town. (what a prat)
10.) At the next council elections the Lib Dems will lose seats for their arrogance and the negative way in which they are approaching this whole campaign. Especially Simon Shaw (Lib Dem) for his aggression at the last CARES public meeting.
11.) At the next general election John Pugh MP will lose his seat for his actions against his own constituents. Especially damming someone for having different religious beliefs to his own. (Crazy)
12.) This campaign is for our Children's futures not religion or self promotion. The sooner the Lib Dems realise this the better.
13.) Unlucky for some - The Lib Dems have a history of negative campaigning and have been instructed by Lib Dems head office to act shamelessly, stir endlessley, forgotten the last one!
I for one am sick of the amount of crap written on this site. It's about time that Tony Dawson, John Pugh and the Lib Dems did something constructive for a change. Like sack Tony Dawson?
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VOTE FOR SASSY & BABS!!!!!!
Tonio is melting into his own ego (what a terrible sight to see).
Sassy your last post should be posted on every tree in the town as it is
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Well Mr Dawson "narcissistic personalities" indeed.
You really are a peach to be talking about such things.
For your information there are several psychoanalyitical terms and phrases relating to Narcissism. The one that comes immediately to mind on this site is Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
This is characterised by an exaggerated sense of self importance, a tendency to overvalue one's actual accomplishments, an exhibitionistic need for attention, admiration, love and power & an inappropriate emotional reaction to the criticisms of others.
Hands up anyone who can name a little Lib/Dem mouthpiece who constantly spams this site with unfocused, misleading & highly inflamitory rubbish that would fit this description perfectly?
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Indeed it is - your lack of a pouring spout is showing but the hollow sound of your cast iron bum is clear as a bell! I provoked you into demostrating your transferrence and projection on this subject and 'Bingo' you clicked your black heels and responded faster than one of Pavlovs dogs!
You missed out one big thing on NPD - people like you NEVER say they're sorry amd will divert forever away from any subject where they know they are obviously wrong. In perpetual denial in fact. You see what you cannot face up to is that other people plod along quite happily working as a team with each other, for the achievement of the goal rather than for accolade. You have no concept of this reality because you cannot interpret people's behaviour through any 'window' other than your own distorted perceptions, which do not understand altruistic acts. That is why you club together with other narcissists in a mutual admiration society - backing people who want to 'be' something rather than 'do' something.
So what have you 'stuka' ever done for ANYONE other than yourself and/or those immediately around you who you depend upon for narcissitic supply and the inflation of your ego?
You have obviously got further into your second-hand book than I gave you credit for - or else you have just bunged my terms into a web-browser. The interesting question is whether you actually understand any of the terms which you have just posted.
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No Babs, I enjoy working constructively with a team of people to try to ACHIEVE things for my community. For instance the team of people who pursued an issue very close to your own heart years ago when a certain individual we both know suggested, echoing the Sefton Officers, that something in particular could not be done. (to be fair to him he changed his mind in the end)
You can't call discourse with four or five people who won't even address the issues raised an 'argument'. The mild amusement as they thrash this way and that, insults and distractions, wears off after the first couple of postings - after that it is all repetition.
I do not expect any of them at all to answer the questions relating to the antidemocratic behaviour of the splitters which nearly destroyed the hospital campaign, which I have described in detail (perhaps too much detail for some but it at least shows confidence in my case) and which is fully-supported by published minutes, agreed at the Steering Group of CARES.
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Mon 29th Sep 2003, 07:39 PM
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(I'll try and obtain some chloroform in case Mr Shaw is allowed entrance ~ I know from experience it's the only way to shut him up ! )
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Now then Barbara, what you and Simon get up to with drugs and masks is your own business - there are impressionable folk on this site!
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Mon 29th Sep 2003, 08:11 PM
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Not so sassy!
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CARES still exists.
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In two halves: on the one hand there are the constructive campaigners, all local parents, and on the other the anti-democratic splitters and their friends
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Originally posted by Sassy SOS is trying to find a role for itself and those on it (Lib Dems).
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False: FACT: 80 per cent of the SOS group are non- political parents of local children
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Originally posted by Sassy The Southport Party and Conservative Party are continuing the campaign with the CARES group to get our services reinstated to Southport.
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False: FACT: The SP are certainly on the right side of this issue - the most senior Tories in town are actually implementing the changes taking our services away or backing these awful policies
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Originally posted by Sassy John Pugh was kicked off CARES
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John Pugh was kicked of nothing - he was told, along with a load of hard working parents in the campaign, that he had left, so he decided the best thing was to leave the splitters alone to do whatever they felt they wanted to do
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Originally posted by Sassy A Minor Injuries Unit is not the answer to our problems and would not be an appropriate alternative to A&E.
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This is exactly what John Pugh has always said, as have I and the SOS people. John Pugh's fax to the Trinity public meeting in August said just as much and was well-received by those present.
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Originally posted by Sassy John Pugh supports a Minor Injuries Unit and thinks that one would be a suitable alternative to A&E. (Otherwise he would not have backed The Champion's campaign so readily).
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He went on a fact-finding trip and was photographed doing that! In sassy's book this is a sin!
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Originally posted by Sassy In the eyes of The Champion, John Pugh MP is a realist
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I suppose they're not entitled to their opinions? Opinions are only opinions. But John is an effective campaigner trying to get back our services
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Originally posted by Sassy and therefore supports their call for a Minor Injuries Unit instead of an A&E faclity in the Town.
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total rubbish- but then John's campaigning actions, his debate in the house of Commons on this issue etc show what he is about.
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Mon 29th Sep 2003, 09:57 PM
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He went on a fact-finding trip and was photographed doing that! In sassy's book this is a sin!
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Fact -finding trip? Well eh Mytle the Duck looked pretty in the pic on the front page of the Champion (13th Aug.)
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"We were (Champ) joined by Southport MP John Pugh who 'backs' our call for a children's Minor Injuries Unit in Southport"
Pugh has never refuted this comment as far as I am aware so in supporting his beloved master Tonio Dawson is clearly wanting such a unit.
Crystal clear really.
Right, back to the self-centered spamming, political brain -washing and spin - your go Tonio!
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