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  1. Published on: 31/01/2017 03:14 PMReported by: roving-eye
    Southport's Liberal Democrat MP,John Pugh has released a short video answering 10 questions on article 50 and what it means to the town as a whole.

     

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  3. nosobored says:31/01/2017 04:44 PM
    John Pugh you are an absolute clown,A total embarrassment to the town and our Country,,You have no interest in the people of this town,You waist your time on ridiculous causes and pointless priority's instead or the needs of the people of Southport,,You once stood there and told me to my face that Corbyn was wonderful and that we could all learn something from him and red Ed you are not a liberal in any sense just another senseless gawp with a stupid expression and a clown haircut,,Not to mention the fraudulent accounting of your parliamentary expense RE renting your offices off your own party and claiming as expenses while putting the cash in your own pocket,It is long overdue that your imbecilic theatrics were put to a rest and you did us all a favour by Resigning and handing the seat over to someone who actually give a dam about the place,,Please Resign

  4. gerrard24 says:31/01/2017 05:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by nosobored View Post
    John Pugh you are an absolute clown,A total embarrassment to the town and our Country,,You have no interest in the people of this town,You waist your time on ridiculous causes and pointless priority's instead or the needs of the people of Southport,,You once stood there and told me to my face that Corbyn was wonderful and that we could all learn something from him and red Ed you are not a liberal in any sense just another senseless gawp with a stupid expression and a clown haircut,,Not to mention the fraudulent accounting of your parliamentary expense RE renting your offices off your own party and claiming as expenses while putting the cash in your own pocket,It is long overdue that your imbecilic theatrics were put to a rest and you did us all a favour by Resigning and handing the seat over to someone who actually give a dam about the place,,Please Resign
    I also have lost faith in this an. I went to see him about my Disability Benefit getting stopped. His idea was for me to become a window cleaner. He went on to say I could do very little work and claim Tax credits. I told him that if I could carry a ladder, clime it, then clean the window, my dream of being fit and able would have come true. Also why is the windmill on the LIBDUMS office tethered and never used.

  5. glowsred says:31/01/2017 05:18 PM
    I agree with the two previous comments, he is now a career politician who is only interested in his salary and the expenses he can claim.

  6. Keith272 says:31/01/2017 05:37 PM
    OK, quite a useful video and John's thoughts and opinions came across clearly. He did manage to leave himself some wriggle room on how he will vote on Article 50 and subsequent issues. But that's not unreasonable given that there are so many variables and unknowns about the whole issue.

    All I would say is that John is Southport's representative in Parliament and as such his voting should be determined by what he believes is in the best interests of his constituents (bearing in mind the constituency voted remain) and his own conscience. All this bluster about the will of the British people is just that - bluster. MPs represent their constituents, not the British people.

    It has been said that the issue of staying in or leaving the EU was too big and complex an issue to be answerable with a yes or a no and therefore too big an issue for a yes/no referendum. Likewise if, at some time in the future, the government is able to present the negotiated terms of departure then that is also too big an issue for a simple yes/no second referendum. When that stage is reached it is Parliament's duty to debate and decide.

    The June 2016 referendum clearly demonstrated why referendums have no place in UK democracy. I can't think of any individual, political party, lobby group or expert that came out of the process with honour (with the possible exception of Ken Clarke).
    Last edited by Keith272; 01/02/2017 at 12:12 AM. Reason: last bracketed comment

  7. gerrard24 says:31/01/2017 05:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith272 View Post
    OK, quite a useful video and John's thoughts and opinions came across clearly. He did manage to leave himself some wriggle room on how he will vote on Article 50 and subsequent issues. But that's not unreasonable given that there are so many variables and unknowns about the whole issue.

    All I would say is that John is Southport's representative in Parliament and as such his voting should be determined by what he believes is in the best interests of his constituents (bearing in mind the constituency voted remain) and his own conscience. All this bluster about the will of the British people is just that - bluster. MPs represent their constituents, not the British people.

    It has been said that the issue of staying in or leaving the EU was too big and complex an issue to be answerable with a yes or a no and therefore too big an issue for a yes/no referendum. Likewise if, at some time in the future, the government is able to present the negotiated terms of departure the that is also too big an issue for a simple yes/no second referendum. When that stage is reached it is Parliament's duty to debate and decide.

    The June 2016 referendum clearly demonstrated why referendums have no place in UK democracy. I can't think of any individual, political party, lobby group or expert that came out of the process with honour.
    I am sorry to disagree with you but it was quite clear. Do you want to leave the EU? Yes or No. The elite told us we would be leaving the single market and the Customs union. The EU is a closed market to the developing world and imposes tariffs that prevent trade.

  8. nosobored says:31/01/2017 06:49 PM
    Wrong Southport was firmly in the leave camp and Pugh should respect the result or resign #Brexitlosers
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith272 View Post
    OK, quite a useful video and John's thoughts and opinions came across clearly. He did manage to leave himself some wriggle room on how he will vote on Article 50 and subsequent issues. But that's not unreasonable given that there are so many variables and unknowns about the whole issue.

    All I would say is that John is Southport's representative in Parliament and as such his voting should be determined by what he believes is in the best interests of his constituents (bearing in mind the constituency voted remain) and his own conscience. All this bluster about the will of the British people is just that - bluster. MPs represent their constituents, not the British people.

    It has been said that the issue of staying in or leaving the EU was too big and complex an issue to be answerable with a yes or a no and therefore too big an issue for a yes/no referendum. Likewise if, at some time in the future, the government is able to present the negotiated terms of departure then that is also too big an issue for a simple yes/no second referendum. When that stage is reached it is Parliament's duty to debate and decide.

    The June 2016 referendum clearly demonstrated why referendums have no place in UK democracy. I can't think of any individual, political party, lobby group or expert that came out of the process with honour.

  9. Tallboy says:31/01/2017 07:06 PM
    Don't dare vote against the express wishes of the Southport electorate Mr Pugh, in this constituency the democratic result was starkly clear - OUT.... Fail to adhere to our wishes and we will have you out at the earliest opportunity..... Think carefully if you wannt the continued support of the majority............ By the way, fail us and the press will also have a field day with you!

  10. local says:31/01/2017 07:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith272 View Post
    OK, quite a useful video and John's thoughts and opinions came across clearly. He did manage to leave himself some wriggle room on how he will vote on Article 50 and subsequent issues. But that's not unreasonable given that there are so many variables and unknowns about the whole issue.

    All I would say is that John is Southport's representative in Parliament and as such his voting should be determined by what he believes is in the best interests of his constituents (bearing in mind the constituency voted remain) and his own conscience. All this bluster about the will of the British people is just that - bluster. MPs represent their constituents, not the British people.

    It has been said that the issue of staying in or leaving the EU was too big and complex an issue to be answerable with a yes or a no and therefore too big an issue for a yes/no referendum. Likewise if, at some time in the future, the government is able to present the negotiated terms of departure then that is also too big an issue for a simple yes/no second referendum. When that stage is reached it is Parliament's duty to debate and decide.

    The June 2016 referendum clearly demonstrated why referendums have no place in UK democracy. I can't think of any individual, political party, lobby group or expert that came out of the process with honour.
    Thats odd;


    On 9 Jun 2015:
    John Pugh voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. Show full debate
    On 9 Jun 2015:
    John Pugh voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. Show full debate
    On 7 Sep 2015:
    John Pugh was absent for a vote on European Union Referendum Bill Third Reading Show full debate

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11...ns?policy=1027

  11. Squirrel2 says:31/01/2017 07:42 PM
    The last Tory MP for Southport (Sir Ian Percival) went against the wishes of his electorate and voted to abolish hanging, whereas a poll held by the Southport Visiter had 85% of his voters calling on him to vote to keep it.
    He got his comeuppance in the next general election and got thrown out of office, with Ronnie Fearn winning the election handsomely.
    A Tory hasn't come close to getting a seat here ever since.

    So go on Mr.Pugh, ignore the constituents at your peril, but don't expect either yourself or your party to have a seat in the Commons after the next election.
    Don't forget that we, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, voted to get out of the CORRUPT E.U.

    You are supposed to be our voice in parliament, therefore you should do as we, the voters, want you to do. NOT what the Lib Dem party tell you to do.

  12. Username2016 says:31/01/2017 07:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Thats odd;


    On 9 Jun 2015:
    John Pugh voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. Show full debate
    On 9 Jun 2015:
    John Pugh voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. Show full debate
    On 7 Sep 2015:
    John Pugh was absent for a vote on European Union Referendum Bill Third Reading Show full debate

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11...ns?policy=1027
    In my humble opinion most will do what best suits their party or self, it's rare that they'd buck the trend and go against party. As for whether John Pugh cares about losing next election that would be questionable given boundary review making the southport seat bundled in with a different area as well as he's probably thinking of retiring on a very generous pension (at least 25k) for "service" to the town.

    I'm sure he's a nice man however his success and following through could be questionable, for example:

    Original catchphrase "John Pugh: driving southport forwards" - fundamentally the last major investment in the town was the sea wall which precedes his time

    Later catchphrase "John Pugh: fighting for southport" - well, the town is still declining and other than trying to block Sainsbury's costing the taxpayer 77k, the fight isn't exactly clear.

    Other campaigns: "Town Centre First": existed for a few months then the stationary was put back in the cupboard with the internet page "not found"

    Point of principle type campaign: MP pay increase: "John Pugh to say no"

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sou...?client=safari

    But is being paid it, I'm sure if delta was paid to charity we'd have heard about it like with other MPs. Either way a grand statement that wasn't/couldn't be backed up

    Our MP also said when his daughter was staying with him at university he'd reduce his claims, however it was remarked:

    "John Pugh rents London flat for 1,280 a month; rent claims rose to 1,500. In July 2006, told fees office his daughter would be staying while at university, so he would reduce claims on rent and utilities. Claims remained close to maximum"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...Telegraph.html

    So although what many parents would do, you shouldn't say something you aren't fully going to do, especially with the tuition fees and bedroom tax backdrop.


    In terms of the deficits, working for the town whether big or small gestures the following should be considered:

    1) reduce the number of councillors as they openly admit there's little they can influence
    2) remove the party leader allowance as why should I pay for that, the councillors are paid to represent the people of the town NOT their party so we'd actually be better at a local level with independents as they may have a chance of working together rather than party politics, some days it's hard to work out if we're paying cllr Dawson twice for this with all his broadcasts and photos across his two roles for the southport people
    3) Ban re-renting as although like previous "interpretations" of the expense rules why should we pay in again to a specific party, if they can rent cheaper the savings should be passed on rather than a stealth way of the public donating to a party
    Last edited by Username2016; 31/01/2017 at 08:00 PM.

  13. Keith272 says:31/01/2017 08:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by nosobored View Post
    Wrong Southport was firmly in the leave camp and Pugh should respect the result or resign #Brexitlosers
    Has reliable voting data been provided for the Southport constituency? The result for the Sefton borough was in favour of remain.

  14. Mr. Brightside says:31/01/2017 08:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith272 View Post
    Has reliable voting data been provided for the Southport constituency? The result for the Sefton borough was in favour of remain.
    No.
    The votes were counted and recorded for Sefton. Which was in favour of remain.
    There was no separate count just for Southport.

  15. Albion102 says:31/01/2017 09:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel2 View Post
    The last Tory MP for Southport (Sir Ian Percival) went against the wishes of his electorate and voted to abolish hanging, whereas a poll held by the Southport Visiter had 85% of his voters calling on him to vote to keep it.
    He got his comeuppance in the next general election and got thrown out of office, with Ronnie Fearn winning the election handsomely.
    A Tory hasn't come close to getting a seat here ever since.
    Sometimes your voters are simply two stupid to listen too - as is the electorate on capital punishment.

  16. Ralphy Rylance says:31/01/2017 10:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel2 View Post
    The last Tory MP for Southport (Sir Ian Percival) went against the wishes of his electorate and voted to abolish hanging, whereas a poll held by the Southport Visiter had 85% of his voters calling on him to vote to keep it.
    He got his comeuppance in the next general election and got thrown out of office, with Ronnie Fearn winning the election handsomely.
    Capital punished was abolished in 1965.
    Percival was re-elected in 1966, 1970, 1974 (twice), 1979 & 1983.
    Fearn was elected in 1987.
    It took a long time for the electorate to exact their revenge on him then!


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